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Right now the rulebook has a whistle as the sound to be used when a routine has used up its allotted time. We had several issues at Unicon 18 where riders had music that had whistles in it and that what confusing. I am hoping we can come up with another idea for what to use.
I know that at the Danish championships they used a phone timer and had it in the middle of the judging table. My concerns with that is that the rider and audience would not necessarily hear it. This could cause confusion with judging results. I think it's important for the judges, audience, and rider(s) to all be notified of the time.
How about putting a digital timer in a place where everyone(audience,judge,player) can see?
Actually, We are using in All Japan competition.
I think a digital timer would be a good idea. So the audience and the judges always knows the time. But I don't think the rider sees it when the routine starts or ends. Therefor a signal would be better, I think. Maybe not a whistle but a more digital sound or something like a horn!?
I think a digital timer is a good idea but not always possible at all competitions to find one that is big enough. Maybe we can recommend a digital timer but not require it?
I like the idea of a digital sound, something that sounds very different than music. Perhaps it is possible for a phone to make a noise into a microphone? Or a phone could be plugged directly into the sound system if that works.
I actually found this rule in the rulebook. It's interesting because I feel like this is something that is almost never done.
7C.6 Performance Time Announcement
When a Freestyle performance is finished, the timer will report the actual length of the performance. The time can be either displayed visually or announced publicly. A visual display must be visible to the judges and audience, such as on an electronic timing board or written on a whiteboard. If the routine ran overtime, only the maximum time need be displayed (example: 4:00 for Experts), or nothing at all. For public announce- ments by voice, the announcement should happen after the performer has exited, or clearly finished performing. In other words it is preferred to wait if the performer has an artistic exit, even though it cannot be judged. Then the announcement should be made, in a form similar to “The performance time was two minutes, forty two seconds.” This announcement must be made without delay, as it is a factor in the judging of the performer. If the performance ran overtime, no voice announcement is needed.
I remember, in Germany we only show the time to the judges when it differs from the maximum time. But not to the audience.
It is possible to make a noise with a phone into a microphone. And I think it is pretty easy.
I personally feel that the amount of time used doesn't need to be shown to the judges unless they ask for it. If someone doesn't use all of their time allowance but none of the judges notice it (meaning that the routine felt complete) then I don't think the time needs to be shown. This could unnecessarily affect the way the judges score. However, the time should be available to the judges if they ask for it.
I would like to take the discussion about rule 7C.6 to another treat.
At the Danish nationals we had the timer placed in the middle of the judges but the timer still blew a whistle to notify the judges when the time ran out.
that we used a phone for times was not to make the sound, only because I forgot to bring at stopwatch.
I don't think we need to change whistle to something ellse, but maybe state somewhere in the riders part of the rule book that we are using a whistle to mark the end of the time and that the smartest choice is to avoid this sound in the music
It seems very easy to use another sound effect, perhaps even easier than finding a whistle to use. And that's much more reliable then telling people to not use that sound effect in their music.