7C.7.2.1 Mistakes: Dismounts
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the rule is currently saying:
Low scores are given for routines with more than 8 major dismounts, therefore interrupting the flow of the routine. Medium scores are given for a routine that has approximately 3 major dismounts and a few minor dismounts. High scores are given for a routine with no major dismounts, and few or no minor dismounts. Judges need to be able to differentiate between a planned dismount and an unplanned dismount.
Scores are generated using the following calculations: Score = 10 −1.0 · (number of major dismount(s)) −0.5 · (number of minor dismount(s))
Calculating scores in this category is just simple math but the rest of the judging sheet is scores given by what the judges think the routine deserve. When finished typing in all the scores you will be shown which place the riders got in your judging sheet, if you feel like the points or placing are wrong when judging is done you are allowed to correct the points given. The problem is that now the points given for dismounts (which were a simple calculation) is now interfering with points that was given by guts.
I've seen and know of more than a few judges that after the category is finished and all points are given will change the points Presence/Execution, Composition/choreography, and Interpretation so that the place will how they fell it should be. Even though it was a ton of dismounts that were pulling a routine down.
This is NOT how it is supposed to be done, and I would like to change the rules so this can't be done wrong. here's my suggestion:
The category "Dismounts" gets extracted from the performance judges judging sheet and we will have separate judges only for falls counting, (two or more) The results from all fall counting judges will then be averaged together and calculated into the final scores. The idea is very much the same as how we calculate the scores for group freestyle.
this way the judges would be able to focus more on the actual performance and not having to spend energy counting dismounts, we would have much more precise points from the performance judges, and by having judges that only count falls we would also have a more precise falls counting.
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I have also thought about the way falls are incorporated into the scoring of freestyle. I like your idea. I have always thought that falls should be their own category and not in performance. Besides their own negative points, falls also take away from the overall score of the routine for both technical and performance already. I like the idea of having at least two separate people who count falls. However, I would suggest that we write the rule in such a way that at smaller competitions it would be okay for a judge (technical or performance) to count falls in addition to judging. I know that at small competitions it's hard to find enough judges and finding extra people to count falls would be very challenging. This would not be allowed at Unicon.
On a more technical note, if we make falls a separate category (which I support) we need to figure out how to re-allot the points. What percentage were you thinking the falls should be? For example, one option would be 45% technical, 45% performance, 10% mistakes. We might need to take some sample routines from Unicon or other competitions and see if that weights dismounts too heavily.
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I like the idea of allowing smaller competitions to let performance judges count falls, but I would want that even the performance judges are counting the falls, the falls still have to be calculated separately.
10% mistakes is not a bad suggestion! but as you say, we need to take a few samples
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Yes, the scoring system would still be that falls are counted separately it would just mean that at a smaller competition, one judge could do two jobs (judging performance or technical and counting falls). This shouldn't be a problem. They would still enter the falls in separately and they wouldn't see how it affected the total score.
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To me that sounds like the ideal solution
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Here is one solution, it would have two parts and a sort of new scoring system.
There would be three categories of judging: Technical, Performance, and Dismounts. They would be weighted in the scoring system like this: Technical 45%, Performance 45%, and Dismounts 10%. This is very similar to how it is currently being done, just with Dismounts now as their own judging category.
The different part is that right now in the rulebook each category has points weighted to it (right now it's technical 40 and performance 40 points). However this makes it so that some of the sub-categories have different amounts of points. For example, in technical, two of the sub-categories have 15 points each and one has 10 points. This makes it more challenging to judge and also hard to separate falls into their own category. What I propose is that the judges award everything out of 10 points. This is much simpler for a judge. Then after the judge awards the points, the computer system (or person tabulating the points) can multiply by the correct percent.
So for Performance a judge would give three scores out of 10 points for each of the three categories and then each category would be multiplied by 33.3% to get the total score for Performance. This Performance score would then be multiplied by 45% for it's correct weight in the overall score. The same would be done for Technical (Difficulty and Duration would be multiplied by 37.5%, Mastery and Quality of Execution would be multiplied by 37.5%, and Quantity of Skills would be multiplied by 25%).
Please let me know if this doesn't make sense and I can try to explain it more clearly. This idea has two parts, separating dismounts into their own category and then how to calculate the scores, but the two are actually completely related.
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Here's a draft of how the explanation could be written up in the rulebook. Hopefully this also makes it clearer.
Freestyle scoring is divided into three judging categories: Technical, Performance, and Dismounts. They are weighted as follows:
Technical 45%
Performance 45%
Dismounts 10%
In each judging category, there are subcategories each of which are always scored out of 10 points (for the ease of judging). These subcategories may be weighted differently for each judging category.
Technical scoring is divided into three subcategories which are weighted as follows:
Quantity of Unicycling Skills And Transitions 25%
Mastery And Quality of Execution 37.5%
Difficulty And Duration 37.5%
Performance scoring is divided into three subcategories which are weighted as follows:
Presence/Execution 33.33%
Composition/Choreography 33.33%
Interpretation of the Music/Timing 33.33%
Dismount scoring only has one subcategory: Fall Score. This fall score is calculated based on the number of major and minor falls (as outlined in rule 7C.7.2.1) along with the number of riders in the routine.
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Here is the same text Patricia posted, but with better formatting.
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Here's a draft of how the explanation could be written up in the rulebook. Hopefully this also makes it clearer.
Freestyle scoring is divided into three judging categories: Technical, Performance, and Dismounts. They are weighted as follows:
Technical 45%
Performance 45%
Dismounts 10%
In each judging category, there are subcategories each of which are always scored out of 10 points (for the ease of judging). These subcategories may be weighted differently for each judging category.
Technical scoring is divided into three subcategories which are weighted as follows:
Quantity of Unicycling Skills and Transitions 25%
Mastery and Quality of Execution 37.5%
Difficulty and Duration 37.5%
Performance scoring is divided into three subcategories which are weighted as follows:
Presence/Execution 33.33%
Composition/Choreography 33.33%
Interpretation of the Music/Timing 33.33%
Dismount scoring only has one subcategory: Fall Score. This fall score is calculated based on the number of major and minor falls (as outlined in rule 7C.7.2.1) along with the number of riders in the routine.
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I really agree with this solution!